Lack of understanding is frustrating isn't it jeff? Right now the big three have labor costs that are roughly $25 higher per man hour than Toyota's. Having inflated labor costs translates into inflated product costs. Toyota's lower labor costs has pushed the big three to buy out their unions in an attempt to lower their costs. Basically the Ford costs more than what it's actual value is because it costs Ford an insane amout of money in labor to produce a vehicle.
What is making ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
What is making Toyota so much money is that despite the fact that their labor costs are so low relative to their competition their quality ratings are consistently higher than the domestics. This means they can charge more than the domestics for a vehicle that is less expensive for them to produce than it is for the domestics.
It boils down to as ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
It boils down to as you said, Toyota's are customarily slightly more expensive than the competition, however Toyota sells the most automobiles in the US (tied with GM essentially) and has the lowest costs per vehicle. GM, Ford and Dodge are all trying to imitate Toyota at this point.
wiki your quote was ...( 4 months ago by jeffac500)
wiki your quote was "The competition from the Tundra has pushes other truck makes to improve their products at a lower cost. This means longer lasting, more capable products that cost less money." according to that it sounds like ford has done it, a more capable product for less. if ford can pay the higher labor costs and sell a product cheaper, i dont see how that is bad. are you saying now toyota has the lowest costs per vehicle? or gm? just say you should not have brought it up.
if you do mean ...( 4 months ago by jeffac500)
if you do mean toyotas have the lowest costs per vehicle, then u just contradicted yourself in the same comment. not very professional.
Jeff, are you ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
Jeff, are you serious... I should not have brought it up?? #1. Toyota has lower labor costs by $25 per man hour over the big three. #2. The F150 is a less capable truck than the Tundra with a lower quality rating #3. The F150 is cheaper... but it is still overpriced, Ford is working to lower their prices by lowering the labor costs #4. The Tundra has provided competition to all of the big three pushing them to improve their trucks
#5. Toyota (who ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
#5. Toyota (who makes the Tundra) has provided competition to the big three in that they produce their vehicles at a lower cost than the big three. This pushes the big three to lower their labor costs which in turn will lower their prices. #6. Look at Ford's bottom line the last two years, having to sell their vehicles at a lower price than Toyota (because of lower quality) while having higher costs (because of labor) has resulted in a $15B loss in two years. That would be defined as bad.
I am unsure on how ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
I am unsure on how this does not make sense. The two main points to this are: Toyota pushes the domestics to lower their costs and improve their quality... these are two very important aspects of successful business that Toyota is leading in. The Tundra has pushed the big three to improve their 1/2 ton trucks in safety, powertrain capability, towing capacities, and fuel mileage just to name a few.
Where did I ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
Where did I contradict myself jeff? I have never said anything to contradict what I said about Toyota having the lowest costs.
your quote " ...( 4 months ago by jeffac500)
your quote "Toyota's are customarily slightly more expensive than the competition, however Toyota sells the most automobiles in the US (tied with GM essentially) and has the lowest costs per vehicle." toyota is slightly more expensive but has the lowest cost per vehicle?
are you saying that ...( 4 months ago by jeffac500)
are you saying that f-150 is so bad in quality that the roughly $5,000 cheaper #1 selling pickup truck in america is not worth buying? keep in mind that i could buy a well equipped powerstroke f-250 for a few grand more than a well equipped tundra. so in that aspect the tundra would have to tow closer to 16,000 lbs and haul at least 500 lbs more that it currently does to be cost effective.
the only thing more ...( 4 months ago by jeffac500)
the only thing more funny than your screen name is the fact that ford can lose $15 bil. and can still put out a half ton truck (released 3 years before the new tundra) of at least equal quality and more capable in all but acceleration when compared to the tundra.
Yes, what is there ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
Yes, what is there not to understand? Toyota's go for a higher price due to higher quality ratings but cost the company less to produce due to lower labor costs.
Jeff, if you wanted ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
Jeff, if you wanted a diesel that costs more to maintain, has a much lower quality rating and uses gas that costs close to $5 a gallon...
"More capable in ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
"More capable in all but acclereration (sic)" The F150 as a line tows less than the Tundra as a line, the F150 as a line has less safety features available than the Tundra as a line, the F150's strongest V8 is more comparable to the Tundra's weakest V8 than it is to the 5.7, the F150 only offers a 4 speed transmission, the Tundra offers a 6 speed, the current model F150 has an issue (NHTSA recalls only) per vehicle of 39%, the current model Tundra's is around 12% counting everything...
that makes so much ...( 4 months ago by jeffac500)
that makes so much sense. lets build a cheap truck and then charge a premium for it, even tho fords quality is "on par" with them. whats with you and your quality ratings anyways? I would like to see proof of fords much lower rating on any of there trucks.
all your points are ...( 4 months ago by jeffac500)
all your points are arguable. except for maybe the tranny.
Jeff, jeff, jeff! ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
Jeff, jeff, jeff! The Toyota is "cheap" because Toyota doesn't have to pay it's employees the bloated salaries (for the same level of craftmanship) that Ford does. I do not understand how you can not follow this? As for the quality, check out the number of recalls the current model F150 has. It is somewhere around 1.4 million vehicles. There are roughly 3.6 mill current model F150's on the road (800,000 x 4.5 years). You can do the math to figure out the percentage.
Really, how can you ...( 4 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
Really, how can you argue safety features, engine power, or the recall figures? Those are all very straightforward and set in stone figures or features.
so how does it make ...( 4 months ago by jeffac500)
so how does it make sense to charge a premium for a truck with less cost to build? so japan can build its economy at our expense? quality is more determined by engine, transmission, steering, rear end, ect. life not switches and hose recalls. I still havent seen where you get your quality ratings from. recalls do not cut it. and where do you get your lower quality rating on the super duty????
JD Power Jeff. The ...( 3 months ago by wikiwikiwildwest)
JD Power Jeff. The Superdutys received 2 out of 5 stars, F150's received 3 out of 5 stars, Tundra received 5 out of 5 stars.
lol poor wiki all ...( 2 months ago by jeffac500)
lol poor wiki all his comments have been hidden.
esta camioneta le ...( 1 month ago by REGGAE1983THEKING)
esta camioneta le dio en la madre a todas las trucks es la mejor muchos huevos y buena figura
someone lick my ...( 1 month ago by 9obboproductions)
Right now the big three have labor costs that are roughly $25 higher per man hour than Toyota's. Having inflated labor costs translates into inflated product costs. Toyota's lower labor costs has pushed the big three to buy out their unions in an attempt to lower their costs.
Basically the Ford costs more than what it's actual value is because it costs Ford an insane amout of money in labor to produce a vehicle.
GM, Ford and Dodge are all trying to imitate Toyota at this point.
according to that it sounds like ford has done it, a more capable product for less. if ford can pay the higher labor costs and sell a product cheaper, i dont see how that is bad.
are you saying now toyota has the lowest costs per vehicle? or gm?
just say you should not have brought it up.
#1. Toyota has lower labor costs by $25 per man hour over the big three.
#2. The F150 is a less capable truck than the Tundra with a lower quality rating
#3. The F150 is cheaper... but it is still overpriced, Ford is working to lower their prices by lowering the labor costs
#4. The Tundra has provided competition to all of the big three pushing them to improve their trucks
#6. Look at Ford's bottom line the last two years, having to sell their vehicles at a lower price than Toyota (because of lower quality) while having higher costs (because of labor) has resulted in a $15B loss in two years. That would be defined as bad.
The two main points to this are:
Toyota pushes the domestics to lower their costs and improve their quality... these are two very important aspects of successful business that Toyota is leading in.
The Tundra has pushed the big three to improve their 1/2 ton trucks in safety, powertrain capability, towing capacities, and fuel mileage just to name a few.
toyota is slightly more expensive but has the lowest cost per vehicle?
The F150 as a line tows less than the Tundra as a line, the F150 as a line has less safety features available than the Tundra as a line, the F150's strongest V8 is more comparable to the Tundra's weakest V8 than it is to the 5.7, the F150 only offers a 4 speed transmission, the Tundra offers a 6 speed, the current model F150 has an issue (NHTSA recalls only) per vehicle of 39%, the current model Tundra's is around 12% counting everything...
I do not understand how you can not follow this?
As for the quality, check out the number of recalls the current model F150 has. It is somewhere around 1.4 million vehicles. There are roughly 3.6 mill current model F150's on the road (800,000 x 4.5 years).
You can do the math to figure out the percentage.
quality is more determined by engine, transmission, steering, rear end, ect. life not switches and hose recalls. I still havent seen where you get your quality ratings from. recalls do not cut it.
and where do you get your lower quality rating on the super duty????
trucks es la mejor muchos huevos y buena figura